4 Comments
User's avatar
тна Return to thread
PutativePathogen's avatar

Please define "leading thinkers". Leading what, and where? And whom would you consider to be a leading Christian thinker? (By leading, I mean an actual Biblical Christian, in fact occupying a leadership position.) I didn't see one in your lineup, unless I missed him due to the seizure-inducing movement on the home page.

And yes, the other comments deploring your venue speak for me.

Expand full comment
allynh's avatar

HA!

The reason they don't have anyone from the religious community is the same reason "Civilized people hate civilization".

- They don't believe in god.

They don't think that anyone is above them. That there is no god judging them, so they have no limits.

The people gathering for this "conference" would be unable to comprehend or respond to a religious person talking about god, so they won't be able to come up with an answer to their question of, "Why?"

It would never occur to Shellenberger to have a religious conference asking his question, but then he would get an answer that he could not comprehend.

BTW, I've been having great fun watching videos, interviews, and lectures by Douglas Wilson on YouTube.

I saw his interview on Tucker the other day, and was intrigued enough to track him down.

The Tucker Carlson Encounter: Doug Wilson

Encounter - Published Apr 15, 2024 - 65 mins

https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-encounter-doug-wilson/

- "We're the kind of Presbyterians who believe the Bible."

This is a clip on YouTube.

In Defense of Christian Nationalism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1nnOXKrUg

Here is the book mentioned:

Mere Christendom

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C5RKQ7FV

I found a documentary with Christopher Hitchens and Douglas Wilson for their book tour:

"Collision" Documentary (2009)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMEBpEnIPSQ

This is the book based on the debate:

Is Christianity Good for the World?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EYUECU

I would love to talk to Wilson and ask him some basic questions that sadly would shatter his world view, but I am pleased that he exists and is thriving in this secular world.

But I digress.

Expand full comment
PutativePathogen's avatar

I saw the Tucker clip with Wilson, and will now watch the whole interview. Thank you for the additional resources. In the spirit of your generous reply, I commend to you "The Christian View of Science and Scripture", by Bernard Ramm. You can read it on Internet Archive, or find it on a used book site. He does a good job of identifying why Christian apologetics has largely failed. (It was published 70 years ago.)

Expand full comment
allynh's avatar

"He does a good job of identifying why Christian apologetics has largely failed. (It was published 70 years ago.)"

Awesome. Thanks for the title.

I'll add it to my Story Folders.

I have found so many great titles, articles, videos, etc..., from the comments here on Public.

Thanks...

BTW, Watch anything on YouTube that you can find by Wilson. I've watched a few dozen so far and it is obvious where his dogma trips him up, but I'm still glad that he has built something real in this secular world.

The Christian schools that he helped build, and the homeschooling stuff, is a growth industry that is vastly better than schools today. Kids growing up with rules and limits are better than growing up hating themselves and the society that they must live in.

That's why the elites are attacking the various "organized" religions. It's harder to control people when they believe in a higher power above the ruling elites.

But I digress.

Expand full comment